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October 29, 2007

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Ahren

I forgot to add that you can go to http://www.waterpoweredcars.com and view the history of water powered cars as well as zero point energy. I hope that you enjoy these, and are able to contact these people to help work on a solution for the energy crisis. Water powered cars are available, you can use any type of water, and the only by product is water. It is a type of water fuel cell that can last a very long time, and run a car for an hour on one liter of fuel.

Thank you for your time, and if you need an intern please let me know! :)

Ahren

also check out if you have a chance
http://www.zpenergy.com/ -zero point energy website
http://www.overunity.com/ -water based fuel cells instead of hydrogen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5738531568036565057 free energy extraction video

Ahren

http://www.h2earth.org/ -Nonprofit research institution based in Washington D.C. that researched water fuel cells and uses.

Mario Valentino

Dear Mr. Agassi,

I was pleasantly surprised to find your article within The NY Times about Mr. Shai Aggassi’s recent start-up with charging stations within the USA and other parts of the world.

The company I represent is the manufacture of all electric highway legal motorcycle, which has a top speed of 62 mph, and a range of about 60 to 70 miles, if the driver is averaging a 30 to 34 mph cruising. The benefit for the driver/owner of course is the facility of having multiple charging stations, which compels a stronger argument for the use of our all electric motorcycle.

My goal in writing this email is to bring about awareness of who we are, and also to ask how we can make direct contact with you Mr. Shai Aggassi, so that we may have an opportunity to engage ourselves directly or in-directly with this project. Any assistance you can offer me and my company would be greatly be appreciated.


www.Vectrix.com

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Sincerely,

Mario Valentino

Amnon

Mr Shai Agassi - pls read my comments at my www.cleanenergyblogger.com blog.
thanks.

Leon Helfet

Shai,
I posted the following blog on Al Gore's site months before your news broke:
http://www.participate.net/node/2458
I have been musing over the concept of treating battery exchange like a gas fill-up for a while.
I am also in contact with an advanced electric car program centered around a World-renowned stylist that is going forward in South Africa. Although they are presently funded for another 12 months, more funding can only speed things up, if you are interested in an existing body of work!
You have my email address if you have further interest.

Leon Helfet

David C. Guimarin

Please be advised, I have the patent (#5,612,606) on the electric service station (Battery Exchange System for Electric Vehicles). For more information you may contact me at david.guimarin@gmail.com.

My first vehicle (Saturn 4 Door) is to be converted by Christmas. When I will be able to demonstrate the exchange ability, ease of use and determine mileage per charge (expected 75 – 100 miles). The battery exchange footprint is within the current motor/fuel space of current cars, meaning minimal engineering changes for car manufacturers.

I plan to have service stations sell gasoline and battery exchanges ($25 per exchange).
The EV owner will be able to plug in at night to recharge and they will pay a monthly lease fee ($350.00) for the use of the batteries.

I am looking for a partner on the Gas Station Side of the business and would be interested in discussing the opportunity with you.

My cell phone number is 408-250-4363.

I look forward to speaking with you.

David C. Guimarin
EVIN-Guimarin, LLC

John Reaves

Great idea, congratulations on the funding, and a fervent wish that Better Place is successful!

Ram

I think this is one of the very few blogs where comments are genuine and useful. It's really interesting to see all the different points of views.

I am not an expert in alternative energy. I am an end user like many other people out there. I personally feel that you should develop a small prototype for auto rickshaws that run in India, China and many asian countries. Use solar energy to charge the battery (Mr. Sun is so kind to all these countries). These vehicles emit lot more pollution than you can imagine.

Leon K.

Hi Shay,
I just read about your electrical car project in Globes.Let me wish you a very good luck in this great project.
Best Regards,
Leon K.

Mike Rosenberg

Excellent book recommendations in the previous post.

Just tried viewing the "live presentation" on Project Better Place, but both safari and firefox failed to find a suitable plug-in?

Yella Reddy

Hi Shai,
This is probably the start of the new chapter to the world of auto industries.
Crude price will not go up for any longer once this starts working.
Lets hope for the best.fingers crossed.
For all of us and the mankind.
Will definetely throw my thoughts and Ideas to contribute to the cause.

Regards,
Yella Reddy.

David Z

Mr. Agassi,

I would like to invest immediately in shares in Better Place Company; and can invest 10,000 USD immediately today, and an additional 50-80K USD within 10 days.

Please reply as to how we might proceed in investing in your new venture, and offering any other expertise-support services.

NOTE: Your website 'contact us' page is missing a 'send message' button. So I'm contacting you via this means. Thank you.

Thank you, Shalom
David Z.

Contact: ceo_of_pzge@myfastmail.com

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Jens Buehrmann

What confusion a sudden strong wind can cause, and it's amazing effects on an electricity-network was shown, when eOn accidentally shut down parts of Europe, when they tried to compensate a sudden increase of wind generated electricity within their network.
I am living in Northern Germany, where wind energy is developing on a fast and high level in the last years.
As efficent areas for producing wind energy on-shore are almost completely used already, these Energy Parks are now being modernized with new sets of generators, for efficency reasons.
The problem of peaks in production and the need of storage for electricity are reasons enough for the sure success of a battery network.

I am thrilled, that finally there is a project, truly renewing the basic paths of today's energy infrastructure.

My best regards

Jens Buehrmann

izzet

The amount of different ideas just shows us we are at the begining ... It will take quite some time till we start to emerge around the leading ones.
I just hope that the leading idea will also be the "better one" to go. We already saw in the past not always a better technology/solution is the "winner".
Better Place must take in consideration openness - we might figure out we have to run other alternative energies through the infrastructure and not only electric.

NeXt Generation of Mobility

Mir olle burehommel senn do scho ebbes weitr, Mir setza jetza uff di nägschte x+y=z, net weit vunn dr SAP entfernt. Mir inveschtiere jetza scho mal in Pferds. Des werd dr nuie Fiecherstall soi by Wolldoof. Olles ding, abr neu verpackt: SAP - "Sets Aufs Perd".

Not Important

Your ideas on selling cars separate from the battery are excellent. Folks have been fiddling with Flow style batteries(for example) for years just for this reason. Fundamentally its a good idea; the same one that underlies fuel cells. Switching physical batteries however is simply a pain, but your on the right track. I'll offer you a slightly different variation that I think you'll find (because I seen it work with my own eyes) works much better and is easier to deal with the "usability issues" while still resulting in dense storage. Have your engineers cook up a battery extrusion process. Batteries are fundamentally made in a very inefficient manner. The are not constucted in a continuous flow manufacturing process and therein is your problem Years ago (about 30) I had the opportunity to work on a project for a company who shall remain nameless to imporve the manufacuring process of batteries. What was created way back when, was a machine that would extrude batteries into what for all practical purposes was a "battery cord"; yes an extrusion. Fill up your car with "cord" and remove the old cord, and charge per foot; on board is just a continous real of "battery cord". The trick to extract energy from the cord looks like a erector set gear with the gears spaced an appropriate distance along the cord with puncture the outer seal of the cord, to complete several circuits. Its simple, it works, and its cheap.... unfortunately such packaging couldn't easily be converted to devices of the time so it was shelfed like many good ideas.... I wish you good luck in your endevors. I think you find that this trivial idea will help you. Best Regards.

Not Important

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070813-scientists-create-paper-thin-flexible-biodegradable-battery.html

just a bit more help... the problem domain isn't so much a energy density problem(since clearly we have batteries that are sufficiently energy dense) but a packaging and cost problem. Package it or other equally valid chemistries into an extuded cord and your in business. Think of it like making coxial cable. The engineering problem at the time was circuit isolation. This was solved by two pass extrusion. One extrusion process creates the core, cuts it into segments inserts an insulating divider, and the forces together the segments into a second extrusion process which wraps it. Pretty neat process as I remember A real of the stuff the size of a four standard firehose reals could power a car for about four hours even then. A problem you will have is with geometry. A flat real doesn't lend itself to a continous real feed in and feed out. You need a circular geometry to the cord so that you can place it on a continous real. Allow two end of the cord to stick out a bit and a dispenser that can grab onto both ends and push/pull the real, and your in business....lots of luck.

Palle R Jensen

Electric cars are great, but they still suffer from traffic congestion.
The RUF concept (www.ruf.dk) solves this problem, so that the users will get a tremendous benefit from day one.
RUF is developed in Denmark and is part of the podcar initiative in Sweden.
See: www.ruf.dk/ruf2006.pdf
and
www.podcar.org
RUF has been supported by EU, US funds, private sponsors and Danish Government sources. A test track was opened in year 2000. See: www.ruf.dk/cnn.doc

Not Important

and finally, the last little bit....your "engine" if you call it that is nothing more then a series of gears (or a belt with several contacts points along its length) that align into small indentations (or puncture the outer cover in simpler designs)along any given section of the battery extrusion and move along the battery extrusion as energy is consumed. Consume more energy; move the extrusion through the "extractor" faster, use less move the cord slower. Eventually, the extractor moves through an entire real of the stuff and its time for a refill. Of course you don't want to use up an entire real so there is always some residual energy in the real. No worries there....the dispense that you would need to build would "unreal" the cord and replace it with new real and in the process check the circuit quality of the cord being retrieved and "discount" the real being sold by whatever charged circuits happens to be left in the real retrieved. All in all my friends its not rocket science. Remember the russians used pencils on their space missions not pens. Instead we used pens that cost a small fortune. Last message...thanks for reading.

Robert Couturier

With regard to your newly formed venture for the "easy swap of batteries for electric cars", let me say this.

I had the very same idea some 20 years ago. Feeling that the sale of electrical energy should be the bailiwick of Utilities, I proposed the concept several major ones, such as Con ED in NY, SoCal, Philadelphia Electric, and others. They would own the batteries. Swapping stations would be equipped with quick exchange machinery. The sale price of the KWHr would cover the amortiziation of the limited-life battery, as well as the cost of the energy itself, all incidental costs and profit.

I received responses with various degrees of enthusiasm. None followed up, except maybe SoCal that may still have a research program along these lines.

I believe that nothing has come out of it for the following facts:

- I had no financial resources to pursue such a monster project
- The project demands that there be national standards issued for car design, battery form factor, connectivity, etc ... to allow any driver to find support anywhere. America being the land of freedom, also means the land of freewheeling specifications. The standardizing of all manufacturers involved task alone is forbidding.
- I probably was ahead of the right time, as the price of oil still was around $20 a barrel.

I am not convinced that the situation today is any better, even though the battery technology offers very attractive kwhr/wht ratios. But I wish you luck just the same.

In my humble opinion, I regard the plug-in hybrid as the interim winner. The charging grid does not have to be constructed from scratch, only extended. The fear of being stranded is totally absent, and in some cases there will be users who will have run their plug-in hybrids near to 100% electric. In my age bracket, I may even be one of them, if only the car was available.

Best Regards,

Robert Couturier
Retired Electrical Engineer
Most interested in the future of the electric car since 1959

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